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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:40 pm 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -down.html
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The Prime Minister will put Conservative proposals for a Royal Charter to underpin a new press regulator to a vote in the House of Commons on Monday.
It raises the prospect of Labour and the Liberal Democrats joining forces against the Tories to draw a new press law, which would lead to a major split in the Coalition.
Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, and Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, had been pushing for legislation to back up the new system, as proposed by Lord Justice Leveson in his report into press standards.
It is looking like the Libs and Labs are about to vote for control of the press. Then the politicos will have the freedom to do whatever they please. Couple secret courts (courtesy of Ken Clarke) with the prospect of a gagged press and the dictatorship is all but complete.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:27 pm 
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Cameron is going to take a lot of stick but essentially his position is correct.

If Labour and Lib Dems get their way and introduces legislation how long until another Government comes along and strengthens it curtailing press freedoms even more.

That way lies Stalin and Hitler......

And when you get stories breaking like the MP's abuse of their allowances and the one last week about councillors taking bungs to slide through Planning Permission the temptation for them to clamp down at times of stress will be difficult to resist.

I do sympathise with the parents of Milly Dowler but there are already laws in place which have been broken (interception of communications). They already have the ability to bring those suspected before the courts be in the lowly reporter, newspaper editor or even owner magnate if they knew about the act or indeed endorsed it. I suspect though the last of these 9and you all know to whom I refer) has a waterproof lining between himself and any wrongdoing.

What we need is for the police to clean up their own ranks, stop taking bungs from the press for juicy tit bits of information or accepting consultation or other roles when they leave office and to do their bloody job and arraign these crooks before the courts.

There are already enough laws on the statute to maintain the brevity of the press. The problem is due to favouritism (same reason why no bankers have been done for fraud) none of them are being used.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:53 pm 
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Geezer, you are quite correct, there are already sufficient laws to deal with the criminal behaviour that led Cameron to call for the Levenson Inquiry. The truth is, a Levenson Inquiry was never needed.

I suspect that Cameron is playing a blinder with the public; trying to appear the 'nice guy', while actually working with the Libs and Labs to bring about the control of the press.

We both agree, the laws already existed to deal with the criminality of phone tapping etc. For whatever reason, the police have failed to do their job properly, and bring the criminals to book. Which suggests that the police are in on this arrangement in much the same way they appear to have been in on the failure to properly investigate Savile's paedophilia. The police have a similar problem with the Hillsborough affair – which has now come to light.

There never was any reason for Cameron to set up the Levenson Inquiry. And Cameron must have known this at the time; he must have known that there were sufficient laws in place to deal with the criminality. But Cameron decided to call Levenson in order to prepare the way for legislation that would gag the press. Now Cameron has sent up the smoke screen of a Royal Charter to control the press knowing that the Libs and Labs won't go along with him. Now the likelihood is that the Libs and Labs will 'force' Cameron (in line with his own wishes) into accepting press gagging legislation.

The politicos have major problem these days; their trustworthiness has been shot to pieces by their own actions. They routinely lie to us about all sorts of issues – not least about the EU and man-made global warming/climate change. They have proven themselves to be dishonest by their fiddling/stealing of public money to fund their expenses and personal financial affairs. Sadly, the politicos have proven themselves capable of doing anything against the public interest – including taking us into illegal wars whilst lying to us. Now it appears that William Hague is planning the next step in the Syrian war; he is looking to illegally provide weapons to the rebels. Another war, and another broken promise. We simply cannot believe a word any politicos say to us.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:55 am 
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we also have laws to combat drink related crime and anti social crimes , but the police dont use them either


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:32 am 
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I think we have a classic "alternative close", so beloved of generations of sales reps. Do we want Cameron's Plan or the Lab/Lib plan?

Er... hang on, what about NEITHER?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:35 am 
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Jon wrote:
I think we have a classic "alternative close", so beloved of generations of sales reps. Do we want Cameron's Plan or the Lab/Lib plan?

Er... hang on, what about NEITHER?
Precisely! The same applies to all ballot papers for local and general elections. If we had a genuine democratic choice at the polls then a “None of the Above” option would be on all ballot papers. After all, even MPs and councilllors have the option to record an abstention vote.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:53 am 
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From today's Daily Mail: Libs, Labs, and Hacked Off are working together to gag the press.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... press.html

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Labour and the Lib Dems are now expected to table amendments in the Commons giving MPs the choice of a beefed-up version of Tory proposals for a Royal Charter, backed in law, or a full Bill implementing the recommendations of Lord Justice Leveson’s report. Mr Cameron lost patience overnight and told Mr Clegg and Mr Miliband in a ‘tense’ joint phone call yesterday morning that he saw no point in continuing cross-party talks.
Sources said Labour had produced ‘demand after demand’ apparently drawn up in close co-operation with the Hacked Off campaign group, which wants a Leveson law, and made clear it was prepared to wreck the Government’s entire legislative programme if it did not get its way.



Who/What is The “Hacked Off” campaign.

FROM THE MEDIA STANDARDS TRUST WEB SITE:

http://mediastandardstrust.org/mst-news ... e-hacking/

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The campaign is being organised by the Media Standards Trust, Brian Cathcart, and with the help of other concerned individuals.


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The Media Standards Trust is an independent registered charity which fosters high standards in the news media on behalf of the public and public interest. It does this through a combination of research, debate and key initiatives.
Chaired by Sir David Bell (former Chair of the Financial Times), the Trust is governed by a board of trustees Board members include: Deputy Chair Julia Middleton (CEO, Common Purpose); Sir Cyril Chantler (Chairman, King’s Fund); Sir Robert Worcester (Founder, MORI); Robert Peston (Business Editor, BBC); William Davies (Saïd Business School, University of Oxford); Roger Graef (Films of Record); Baroness Helena Kennedy QC; The Right Reverend Stephen Platten (Bishop of Wakefield); Geraint Talfan Davies (Chair, Institute of Welsh Affairs); Anthony Salz (Executive Vice Chairman, Rothschild); Sue Stapely (solicitor, Quiller Consultants/Sue Stapely Consulting); Amelia Fawcett (Chairman, Pensions First; Chair, Guardian Media Group); Albert Scardino (journalist, editor); Sir Philip Otton (retired judge); Mary-Ellen Barker (Thomson Reuters); Charles Manby (Goldman Sachs).
The MST is funded by charitable donations from the Esmee Fairbairn Foundation, the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust and the Nuffield Foundation.
The above correctly identifies Julia Middleton as CEO of Common Purpose, but fails to identify Sir David Bell's links with Common Purpose. Here http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/people ... avid-bell/
The Levenson Inquiry web site rightly identifies Sir David Bell as Chairman of Common Purpose:

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Sir David Bell is a non-executive director of the Economist. He retired as a director of Pearson plc and Chairman of the Financial Times at the end of 2009 after 13 years on the Board.
David joined the FT from the Oxford Mail ending up as Managing Editor. After moving to the business side of the paper he was appointed Chief Executive in 1993 and became Chairman in 1996. In July 1998 he was also appointed Pearson’s Director for People with responsibility for the recruitment, motivation, development and reward of employees across the Pearson Group and in June 2003 he became Chairman of Pearson Inc in New York.
He resigned as chair of the Media Standards Trust on being appointed an assessor for the Leveson Inquiry. He remains Chairman of Sadler’s Wells, Chair of Council at Roehampton University, Chairman of Crisis, Chairman of Common Purpose, Chairman of the Transformation Trust and Chair of The Institute of War & Peace Reporting Europe. He is also a member of the International Youth Foundation Board, a member of Plan UK’s Board, a trustee of the Esmee Fairbairn Foundation, the not for profit Bureau for Investigative Journalism, and the Centre for the Study of Financial Innovation (CSFI) and a member of the Honorary Council of the Royal National Theatre.

The above quote from the Levenson Inquiry web site rightly shows that Sir David Bell resigned his post as Chairman of The Media Standards Trust when appointed to the Levenson Inquiry. It also rightly shows that Julia Middleton is CEO of Common Purpose. What the above does not show is the clear links between The Media Standards Trust and Common Purpose, links that bring together Julia Middleton AND Sir David Bell.
Julia Middleton and Sir David Bell both have links to The Media Standards Trust:
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Julia Middleton is the founder and Chief Executive of Common Purpose Charitable Trust. She is passionate about helping people to develop as leaders, and campaigns to encourage leaders from all backgrounds to make an active and tangible contribution to their communities and to wider society.
In the autumn of 1988 Julia formed Common Purpose, an international leadership development organisation which gives leaders the inspiration, the knowledge and the connections they need to produce real change at work and in society. Common Purpose now offers leadership development opportunities worldwide in 46 cities in 18 countries. Since 1989, more than 40,000 leaders have completed one or more Common Purpose courses.
Julia has been involved in the founding of The Media Standards Trust (fostering high standards in the news media) and Alfanar (developing venture philanthropy in the Arab world) and is now on the board of both. She is also on the International advisory council for Fundação Dom Cabral (a non-profit business school in Brazil).
Julia was born in London and educated at French Lycées around the world. She worked for the Industrial Society after receiving an economics degree from the London School of Economics. She is married and has five children.
Julia is the author of the bestselling book Beyond Authority: Leadership in a Changing World.
Read Julia's leadership blog or follow Julia on Twitter.


So from today's Daily Mail we can now positively link Ed Miliband and Labour, Nick Clegg and Lib Dems, Sir David Bell & Julia Middleton (of Common Purpose), The Levenson Inquiry, The Media Standards Trust, Common Purpose, Hacked Off, AND the aim to gag the press through legislation.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:39 pm 
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If the minority parties do manage to get a bill into the Commons and scrape it though then the Lords can scupper it.

It's part of the reason why we have a second revising chamber, and a primary one as to why it must stay.

The only issue is who sits in it of course.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:43 pm 
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Whatever the Lords does or does not do; we should not under-estimate just how devious and deceitful the political class is. The Common Purpose links that run right through the Levenson Inquiry should give all of us reason to be very concerned. The fact that nobody in the political sphere (especially Cameron) has seen the need to highlight the Common Purpose tentacles that influence the Levenson Inquiry should cause some alarm bells to ring with the public and the press.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:42 pm 
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The plot thickens...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ju ... 6595971160

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6595023533

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