jim wrote:
geezer466 wrote:
To get growth you need extra consumption. The UK population is and has not been breeding at the correct levels for a couple of decades. Therefore to attain the required growth levels they have to import people
then if we are self sufficient why do we need growth? and more to the point why do we need to enlarge the population, that is self defeating, the extra production is needed to support the extra inhabitants, the equation don't work out, as more people take from the kitty than put in, Tony knew this, and that they were not going to bite the hand that fed them, so first you create a problem, then put yourself as the saviour, that what gives politics the bad name, and its us the electorate who have to bail out our Country.

Growth is about a lot of things Jim including allowing the value of property to rise. Do you think London and the SE would have seen the vast property gains it did without the immigration? Of course the very short answer is no....
The flip side of course is many,many people were able to use their property like an ATM withdrawing equity as cash and spending it on new cars, holidays and lot's of other shiny things. This kept most people ignorant of the real issues or motives behind the policy and as long as they had an extra income stream why should they care?
Of course another flipside is a good proportion of the productive work has been exported to China and other parts of the World whilst here immigration has subdued wages to their lowest possible levels. If I was a Richard Branson or Alan Sugar in charge of a multi UK international corporation would I be sad at that? Of course not and to a point it is these people who drive Government policy.
I will tell you what is wrong with this Country it is the sense of entitlement of the younger generation.... Lets take this story which broke yesterday on the BBC and in the press.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9483268/Young-Tory-MPs-blame-lazy-baby-boomers-for-Britains-economic-decline.htmlQuote:
Young Tory MPs blame 'lazy' baby boomers for Britain's economic decline
A group of rising young Conservative MPs claims that 'idle' British workers are damaging the economy by failing to compete with 'grafting' Asian countries.
Chris Skidmore - Professional politician. never done a proper job
http://en.wikipedia..../Chris_SkidmoreElizabeth Truss - Turncoat from Labour family. Flirted with Liberal Democrats before selling out her class to the Tories. Worked in ' Sales' before becoming a professional politician
http://en.wikipedia....Elizabeth_TrussDominic Raab - Oxbridge Educated lawyer with posh firm Linklaters. Given a very safe Tory seat. Destined to become typical House of Commons Lobby fodder living off the taxpayer for decades while holding down a nice legal job on the side.
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Dominic_RaabPriti Patel - Professional politician, Never Done a proper job
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Priti_PatelKwasi Kwarteng - worked in 'financial services the industry that helped blow the debt bubble and has just had to be bailed out by the lazy good for nothing British workers to the tune of billions of pounds.
http://en.wikipedia..../Kwasi_KwartengUsual bunch of pratts who have no idea what it is like to face doing a boring and arduous job for 40 years with little prospect of escape. .
In fact this book is little more than an electoral suicide note as the first rule of politics is to not slag off the voters.....
Truth is the standard of British politicians has been falling for a long time. There are none who will be able to manage the UK out of the hole it has been dropped in. Look at the above non of them have a clue or reasonably productive idea between them.