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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:55 pm 
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Australia and New Zealand seem to have the right idea, we should follow their example and introduce a tough-love approach to welfare claimants in this country - it's long overdue.

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Earn or learn: Australia doles out tough love
Nick Cater, Sydney Published: 3 August 2014

Politicians say some people think picking fruit is beneath them Politicians say some people think picking fruit is beneath them (ROB WALLS)

IN THE late 1940s Australians turned their backs on a British-style welfare state by electing a prime minister of Scottish farming stock who advocated frugality, sobriety and self-reliance.
Robert Menzies, who went on to lead Australia for 17 years of prosperity, argued that cradle-to-grave handouts would create a nation of “boneless wonders” and “pallid and bloodless ghosts”.

Now Tony Abbott, today’s prime minister, is borrowing Menzies’ dour rhetoric with a plan to end welfare dependency and get more Australians back to work.
He is urging them to be “lifters, not leaners”, echoing Menzies’ maxim: “Leaners grow flabby; lifters grow muscles.” He proposes to remove the right to unemployment benefit from everyone under 30 — his message is: “Earn or learn.”

Dole claimants will lose their benefits unless they can prove they have applied for at least 40 jobs in the previous month.

Last week Abbott was encouraged to go further by issuing 'healthy welfare cards' instead of cash, to stop dole money being spent on cigarettes, alcohol or gambling. His claim that 'the best form of welfare is a job' is broadly popular despite resistance from welfare groups and the Labour opposition (surprise surprise!).

The employment minister Eric Abetz said some jobseekers had become too choosy. He said that even in his home state of Tasmania, where youth unemployment was about 20%, there were more than 1,000 agricultural vacancies.
'Regrettably some people seem to think that just because you've got a degree it's beneath your station in life to pick fruit or drive taxis', he said.
'But what is the moral case for saying: 'I want my fellow Australians to dig deeper to pay for my welfare because I don't want to get up eaarly in the morning to go harvesting?'

In New Zealand a tough-love approach to welfare has been introduced where unemployment benefits are halved if blood tests reveal the presence of drugs.
Those who fail have to reimburse the government $150 (£76) for the cost of the tests and failing a second test results in benefits being suspended.
Mothers who become pregnant while receiving benefits for one child are obliged to seek work when the second child reaches the age of one. It is a rule that attempts to discourage the use of serial pregnancies as a means of staying out of work.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/new ... 2014_08_02


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:45 am 
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If those policies were applied were applied here, two things would result. One, there would be riots on the scale of the Community Charge/poll tax riots. Two, the political class would have no 'justification' for maintaining an open door policy to immigration; and that is not going to happen while we remain in the EU, or while we have the LibLabCon anywhere near power.

The EU open door policy to immigration is a key policy intended to destroy all sense of national identity, especially concerning Britain.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:50 am 
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Can Australians stand for parliament here? Tony Abbott for PM I say!!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:28 pm 
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Westonman wrote:
The EU open door policy to immigration is a key policy intended to destroy all sense of national identity, especially concerning Britain.

That is the prime objective of this 'freedom of movement' policy, destroy nation states making the creation of one vast EU fascist state that much easier. Oh, and a useful by-product is that 'cheap labour' is introduced to the market place.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:46 pm 
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Yep. Don't remember voting for that.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:52 pm 
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As someone who is receiving 'state benefits' ( having worked and paid into the system for over 40 years I might add ), I try and see things logically from both sides.

Demonising folk who are on any kind of benefits for whatever reason is a lazy and quite frankly disturbing path to tread. Personal circumstances can often change without warning, and through no fault of the individual. It could be you next.

Governments in the last few years have spent billions of OUR money bailing out and saving huge multi-national corporations which quite frankly should have been left to rot in hell due to their sheer incompetence and fraudulent activities. It's still going on now. Complete failures are still being compensated by the ordinary taxpayer who has no way of accessing the myriad of tax avoiding schemes widely available to the 'great and the good'.

So here's a good idea......and it's already in place in the UK. Let's allow those companies to employ people on zero hours contracts, pay them the basic minimum wage if and when they are lucky enough to get a phone call telling them they have to turn up or else.

Fruit picking is just one pathetic example. Thankfully I don't have any personal experience but here in the UK my guess is the fruit picking season lasts for about 3-4 months at most. Then what ? That's why it usually undertaken by migrant workers who have no mortgage to pay or family to support. They get minimum wages during that time and tend to live in 'beds in sheds' type accomodation which in the most part is not fit for human habitation.

Is that really the future we want ? The race to the bottom is gathering pace, and if you support that then I really despair.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:43 pm 
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Jon wrote:
Can Australians stand for parliament here? Tony Abbott for PM I say!!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:55 pm 
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Moley wrote:
As someone who is receiving 'state benefits' ( having worked and paid into the system for over 40 years I might add ), I try and see things logically from both sides.

Demonising folk who are on any kind of benefits for whatever reason is a lazy and quite frankly disturbing path to tread. Personal circumstances can often change without warning, and through no fault of the individual. It could be you next.

Moley I don't think the intention is to 'demonise' people on benefits, they're there, and should be there, as a safety net for those who through no fault of their own have worked hard but due to unforeseen circumstances have hit hard times. I for one would never deny such a person all the help they need, especially if they've worked and paid into the system for 40 years! It is the scroungers and abusers of the system who 'milk' the system that I'm against and who should be weeded out and dealt with, plus those that come here and without having paid a penny into the system blantantly take every benefit they can lay their grubby hands on, legally or illegally.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:32 pm 
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The problem is partly why all these people are trying to get across the Channel. They want into the UK because of the generous benefits. All comes down to the needs based system rather than contribution based.,

http://m.thelocal.fr//20140805/calais-m ... n-violence

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Dozens were hurt on Tuesday after violent clashes broke out in Calais between hundreds of African migrants desperate to get across the Channel to the UK. It comes after extra riot police had been drafted in to boost security amid a growing crisis in the town.


Trucker friends of mine who are back and forth all the time tell me this is getting quite serious in France now and has been going on for Months. Migrants are starting to threaten wagon drivers with knives. A few dashcam video's have emerged on facebook of them trying to climb in the back of the wagons when they are driving into the port.

Of course in the squeaky clean UK none of this is reported on our media.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:12 am 
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They need to inspect every truck, not just random ones, and let them know that there is no way they will get across via this method.

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