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| Author: | Westonman [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
Speaking at a Symposium in Switzerland in May 2011, Oswald Grubel, Group CEO of UBS, clearly states that the global economic crisis was deliberately engineered by the banks, governments and politicians. He also states that money was deliberately devalued as part of the globalisation project. He also adds that very little economic growth will take place for at least 10 years - that is from May 2011. Oswald Grubel's contribution covers the first 3 minutes and 50 seconds of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 4B5f2ezEB8 |
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| Author: | geezer466 [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
I don't dispute your argument Westonman and without a doubt Governments are now moving to devalue their currency's. With Sterling a shade under $1.50 now and falling the only thing the UK Government is better at is devaluing faster than our trading neighbours. Would have to take your source with a pinch of salt though and to say the collapse was deliberately engineered maybe a bit of a stretch. In a nutshell the crash occurred because banks lent far to much money to anyone who had a heartbeat at ever increasing multiples in the search of ever increasing bonuses. The property bubble is simply a by product of this. The crash simply because Banks were unable to cover their positions and the value of property and infrastructure projects turned out to be a fraction of the sums lent against them. Unfinished developments in Dubai and Spain, Canaries are testament to this and this is an area that RBS was heavily involved in. We have all seen the many huge half finished building sites in Spain! A lot of this stuff should be the stuff RBS is refusing to write down as per Mervyn's speech yesterday about breaking up RBS into a good and bad bank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Gr%C3%BCbel Quote: On 24 September 2011, the UBS board announced that Oswald Gruebel had resigned. Earlier he had been under pressure having assumed the full responsibility for the USD 2.3 billion loss resulting from a trading fraud. Several local newspaper brought up that he might left due to the pressure of the main stakeholders. [4] http://news.sky.com/story/1058823/pound-falls-as-triple-dip-fears-fuelled Quote: The pound falls beneath $1.50 for the first time since the early days of the coalition, after a shock drop in manufacturing. Quote: Sterling has only been beneath the $1.50 mark for four of the 200 years since the US Declaration of Independence. Watch....... this time it will not be coming back........ |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
Geezer: Oswald Grubel clearly says they, the banks, government, and politicians deliberately engineered the economic crisis. He doesn't explain how they did it, but we could all see it coming for years while cheap money was being loaned to anybody that could produce a thumb-print. It is also very clear that the banks and politicians are doing absolutely nothing to improve the situation, and that the political class and the bankers are working in collusion with one another. In fact, they are all doing everything they can to ensure we stay in a declining economy. Only this week Vince Cable is calling for even MORE taxation to suck more life out of the economy – and the BoE is openly talking of negative interest rates – these are policies of the lunatic asylum – and yet we refuse to acknowledge the insanity of the speakers of these words. I strongly suspect that the truth and power of Oswald Grubel's words are just too far-fetched for many to believe. But that is how these people get away with it – they routinely tell such enormous lies that we believe them – and when they do tell us the truth from behind closed doors – we disbelieve them. We should learn to apply the duck test to the actions, words, and policies of the political class. If it looks like an engineered economic crisis, sounds like and engineered economic crisis, and the results ARE and an engineered economic crisis – then it is an engineered economic crisis. Only then can we reach the point of asking ourselves; “What are these people aiming at, what are their ultimate plans for us?”. The problem with that question is; we are too afraid to face up to the probable answer. Maybe the rising death-rates in our hospitals, and Cameron's support for the man responsible for them is a clue. Perhaps the Liverpool Care Pathway provides a clue. Or, perhaps the lack of funding for old people's care – while our government is handing over free and expensive armoured vehicles to rebels in Syria is another clue. We are told that there is no money for the needs of the British taxpayer, but there is ALWAYS money for foreign wars - that in itslef is a profound clue. Another clue as to the malevolence of all three political class is the insane commitment to wind turbines and the closure of coal-burning power stations. This policy can only have one outcome – DISASTER and irreversible economic damage. And that is without considering the long-term effects of uncontrolled immigration. The clues are shouting at us, but we do not want to hear them. I think the duck test speaks for itself. |
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| Author: | geezer466 [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
Westonman wrote: Geezer: Oswald Grubel clearly says they, the banks, government, and politicians deliberately engineered the economic crisis. He doesn't explain how they did it, but we could all see it coming for years while cheap money was being loaned to anybody that could produce a thumb-print. It is also very clear that the banks and politicians are doing absolutely nothing to improve the situation, and that the political class and the bankers are working in collusion with one another. In fact, they are all doing everything they can to ensure we stay in a declining economy. Only this week Vince Cable is calling for even MORE taxation to suck more life out of the economy – and the BoE is openly talking of negative interest rates – these are policies of the lunatic asylum – and yet we refuse to acknowledge the insanity of the speakers of these words. I strongly suspect that the truth and power of Oswald Grubel's words are just too far-fetched for many to believe. But that is how these people get away with it – they routinely tell such enormous lies that we believe them – and when they do tell us the truth from behind closed doors – we disbelieve them. We should learn to apply the duck test to the actions, words, and policies of the political class. If it looks like an engineered economic crisis, sounds like and engineered economic crisis, and the results ARE and an engineered economic crisis – then it is an engineered economic crisis. Only then can we reach the point of asking ourselves; “What are these people aiming at, what are their ultimate plans for us?”. The problem with that question is; we are too afraid to face up to the probable answer. Maybe the rising death-rates in our hospitals, and Cameron's support for the man responsible for them is a clue. Perhaps the Liverpool Care Pathway provides a clue. Or, perhaps the lack of funding for old people's care – while our government is handing over free and expensive armoured vehicles to rebels in Syria is another clue. We are told that there is no money for the needs of the British taxpayer, but there is ALWAYS money for foreign wars - that in itslef is a profound clue. Another clue as to the malevolence of all three political class is the insane commitment to wind turbines and the closure of coal-burning power stations. This policy can only have one outcome – DISASTER and irreversible economic damage. And that is without considering the long-term effects of uncontrolled immigration. The clues are shouting at us, but we do not want to hear them. I think the duck test speaks for itself. End result = economic meltdown = mad max scenario Once it becomes guns and beans and this would literally be the end game to this, those with the most to lose would be worse off. This would involve those who are supposed to have engineered this? This chap was forced out of UBS as a result of a miliion Billion pound fraud scam. Maybe he is trying to point the finger elsewhere? |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
geezer466 wrote: Once it becomes guns and beans and this would literally be the end game to this, those with the most to lose would be worse off. This would involve those who are supposed to have engineered this? That assumes they keep their assets in paper money – which they don't.geezer466 wrote: This chap was forced out of UBS as a result of a miliion Billion pound fraud scam. Maybe he is trying to point the finger elsewhere? Maybe he isn't, maybe he isn't, but what he said does not change the trail of clues that the banksters and their political colleagues have left lying around.Here are a few more clues: The EU is a Centralist/Marxist organisation that clearly despises any form of democracy or public accountability. And the LibLabCon Party, their leaders, and the banksters are committed to it. The UN's Agenda 21 is a Globalist/Marxist/Centralist agenda. And the LibLabCon Party, their leaders, and the banksters are committed to it. The global warming/climate change nonsense is a UN/EU/Globalist/Marxist/Centralist excuse to control all assets, all consumption, housing, travel, energy use; and even how many of us must be killed off. And the LibLabCon Party, their leaders, and the banksters are committed to it. The banksters have committed a monumental list of offences against against the people of the world. And the LibLabCon Party and their leaders are committed to supporting the banks – and refusing to bring the guilty to justice. Government spending has been, and continues to be, a major cause of crippling the economy. The LibLabCon Party, the EU, are all guilty of increasing unaffordable government spending – whilst maintaining their own extravagant lifestyles. And the same crippling process has been applied to nations all around the globe. To believe this global economic mess simply/accidentally developed without some form of malevolent creativity being applied to it just doesn't stack-up – especially since nobody in the banking or political spheres has been identified as being guilty, and brought to justice. |
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| Author: | Jon [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
There's no doubt in my mind that the whole thing is engineered and orchestrastrated. |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
Jon wrote: There's no doubt in my mind that the whole thing is engineered and orchestrastrated. That is the only rational conclusion that can be drawn from all the evidence. The behaviour of governments/politicians and bankers, and their continuing policies are designed to destroy the economies - especially the economies of the Western world. For example, if the well-being of the UK economy was truly of political and governmental interest, then the whole green agenda of taxes, and the reliance on unreliable expensive 'renewable energy' would never have been adopted. That one policy alone declares that the destruction of the UK economy, has been and remains, the aim of successive UK governments. The almost global adoption of these ridiculous policies proves beyond doubt that a global conspiracy is at work. National economies are being deliberately broken in preparation for a one-world centrally managed economy.
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| Author: | Kremmen [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
Plus fact that we give away £trillions each year to foreign countries just goes to prove they don't want us out of debt. |
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| Author: | jim [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
A borrow to give away economy must surely fail, have we really been dumbed down to this level? |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Economic crisis WAS engineered by banks and governments |
Kremmen wrote: Plus fact that we give away £trillions each year to foreign countries just goes to prove they don't want us out of debt. Your are absolutely correct Kremmen; there is a mountian of evidence out there, all we have to do is join the dots.
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