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| Author: | Westonman [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The death of cash gets closer |
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_ar ... 012_476309 Quote: Any transaction in excess of 500 euros will soon only be allowed via credit or debit card or by check, according to a plan by the Finance Ministry aimed at combating tax evasion.
The ceiling for cash transactions is to be lowered from 1,500 euros today to 500 euros and could be reduced further over in the course of 2013. Ministry sources say that in the first quarter of the new year all companies and certain self-employed individuals will have to obtain the POS (point-of-sale) terminals that provide for card transactions. This forms part of the government’s plan to contain tax evasion and increase state revenues. Ministry officials stress that public revenues can only grow through beating tax evasion, as there can be no more cuts to expenditure except for procurements. The ministry is also making plans to create incentives for taxpayers to use payment cards and checks, either through the return of some money or via bonuses. “The changes we are planning for 2013 include incentives to encourage citizens to use means of electronic payment in order to attain greater transparency in transactions and to combat tax evasion that is facilitated by the use of cash,” Deputy Finance Minister Giorgos Mavraganis told Kathimerini. “As you know, transactions in excess of 1,500 euros are currently not allowed to be conducted in cash. We will have to review this limit and generally we must see how we can make it easier for Greeks to change their years-long habit of paying for goods and services in cash and instead use other means of payment. This is a problematic situation in our country that has to change, albeit without upsetting social cohesion,” the deputy minister added. Although the government is determined to move ahead swiftly with legislation that will make it obligatory to use payment cards for transactions, it has not yet decided on the incentives to encourage taxpayers to do so. “Rewards to citizens who use electronic means of payment as a rule are in other countries provided through gifts or money. We still have to examine certain issues pertaining to European Union legislation and we will have to think very hard about how forms of bonuses in transactions have worked in other countries,” Mavraganis noted. |
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| Author: | Kremmen [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
What country is this aimed at ? Anyone who pays cash for items over £100 and not a CC to ensure they are covered under section 75 of the consumer credit act is leaving themselves wide open. |
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| Author: | Jon [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
I'm surprised it's taking so long for cash to be eliminated. All the technology and systems exist now for a cashless society. |
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| Author: | Batty bat [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
Jon wrote: I'm surprised it's taking so long for cash to be eliminated. All the technology and systems exist now for a cashless society. I'm not sure about that, would you want to call into the papershop, on your way to work. And have to screw around with a card or even wait for the person in front of you doing the same. Would you put your card into a charity box or send the kids Down the road for a carton of milk, with a credit card. A card might be ok for some of us. But, not not for most. |
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| Author: | geezer466 [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
This is Greece and they have applied the measure to stop the exodus of funds over its borders. 20,000 Euro's in a German bank will still be worth 20,000 Euro's when the Greek banks go down. the same 20,000 in a Greek bank will be seriously devalued against the New Drachma or whatever else it is they introduce. Westonman makes an important point the ultimate aim of any Government will be to eradicate barter currency. If they could get away with it they would do it tomorrow as at a stroke it stops tax evasion (only by the little people though the likes of Starbucks and other corporates will still be ok) and makes populations far easier to handle. An important weapon of them curtailing serious social unrest would be to close the banks for a day or two stopping (easy) access to cash, possibly even disabling the card payment networks, as and when we get the next Sterling crisis this will be one of their first reactions. Last time was when RBS went bust and the time before that when we were forced out of the ERM. They came within a few hours of enforcing Bank Holidays. From there it is an easy step to deduct tax and other payments at source from personal accounts, for example people may not be allowed to fall behind with mortgage payments and a future Government may give banks the power to deduct direct. Without cash this would be simple and individuals would have no means of redress, or accessing their funds in any other way. Other Governments around the World including the USA have 'requisitioned wealth' from its citizens, Argentina more recently. In fact all the gold in Fort Knox in the USA used to belong to the people before executive order 6102. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 So this isn't about inconveniencing people in having to pay for small items with a card or a NFC enabled phone there are far more dark reasons as to why they would want this. |
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| Author: | jane [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
Batty bat wrote: Jon wrote: I'm surprised it's taking so long for cash to be eliminated. All the technology and systems exist now for a cashless society. I'm not sure about that, would you want to call into the papershop, on your way to work. And have to screw around with a card or even wait for the person in front of you doing the same. Would you put your card into a charity box or send the kids Down the road for a carton of milk, with a credit card. A card might be ok for some of us. But, not not for most. Exactly right Batty !! I hate paying for everything by card and still prefer to draw cash. That way I can see what I'm spending and what I've got left ..... |
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| Author: | john [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
nice way of tracking your every move , then sell the info |
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| Author: | jim [ Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
I only use my cards to draw cash. then pay as I go. |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of cash gets closer |
geezer466 wrote: So this isn't about inconveniencing people in having to pay for small items with a card or a NFC enabled phone there are far more dark reasons as to why they would want this. Absolutely correct, Geezer. The ultimate reasons are very dark indeed, which is why the whole process of reducing the amount of cash that can be spent on any one transaction is being reduced in relatively easy stages. Too much too soon could alarm the people - it is the frog and warming water again. A slow rate of change also enables those developing the system to monitor progress and make any necessary adjustments as potential problems arise.
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