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| Author: | geezer466 [ Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
Interesting article and one I find myself in agreement with given my reasonably poor understanding of economics. http://papermoneycollapse.com/2012/08/more-qe-is-on-the-way-the-central-banks-are-digging-themselves-a-deeper-hole/ Quote: More QE is on the way – The central banks are digging themselves a deeper hole Last month we entered the sixth year of this crisis, although parts of the media seem determined to continue calling it a ‘recovery’. Wishful thinking. We have been in continuous crisis for half a decade. Doses of Valium and Prozac – called QE among central bankers – have calmed nerves occasionally and given the false impression of healing. QE – and zero interest rates – is the policy equivalent of crack cocaine. It makes addictive. There is no end to it. That QE3 would ultimately come was clear from the moment that QE2 had been concluded. It was only a matter of time. For what it is worth, my guess is the Fed will have to do more than the lame $600 billion they did last time. And at some point they will have to also stop paying interest on the massive excess reserves at the Fed to push more money into the economy. The idea that all this monetary madness is only temporary, only to help us get out of the crisis, and that the central banks have an ‘exit strategy’ – a term that I have not heard or seen in any discussion of central bank policy since spring of 2011! – is getting less tenable by the day. There is no exit strategy. Not in the US, not in the UK, not in the Euro Zone. One day a sufficiently large section of the public will realize that the central bank and the government have no alternative to printing ever more money and taking on ever more debt. The only way they know of how to ‘stimulate’ the economy is via cheapening credit and encouraging more lending and borrowing. At some point, confidence will evaporate, people will disengage from bonds and paper money, inflation will rise (as money becomes a hot potato) and real interest rates rise even faster (as bonds become hot potatoes, too). Nobody knows when that will be. The goal seems to be to make the endgame as catastrophic as possible The gentleman's 'credentials'... Quote: Mr. Schlichter had a 19-year career in investment management. He worked at J.P. Morgan & Co. (1990-1998), Merrill Lynch Investment Managers (1998-2001) and Western Asset Management Co. (2001-2009). During his career Mr. Schlichter has overseen billions in assets under management for institutional clients from around the world. He left the industry in 2009 to focus exclusively on his first book, Paper Money Collapse Germany engaged in several bouts of QE between 1920 - 22. 1923 of course became known as the year of the wheelbarrow!! It's impossible to say where the tipping point in all this is. The central banks are playing with fire and they know it, but what else can they do? Economies all around the developed World demand people taking on ever more levels of debt to survive, once that debt hits a certain level the appetite for it does away as does economic activity as we have seen through this current depression. There are no magic get out of jail cards, indeed it is very difficult to see how the UK can extradite itself from this. Yesterday one of the papers bounded about a story about a massive house building program and relaxation of planning on the green belt as a way to stimulate the economy. Without a doubt it would but what it would also do is crash the notional value of the existing stock and a lot of the banks whose balance sheets are barely scraping even on current notional values. Devil and the deep blue sea..... The politico's know it yet none will man up and tell it like it is............ |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad believes that in waging war against those he considers to be 'infidels', he will prepare the way for the return of Muhammad al-Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam. This belief by Ahmadinejad of Iran is what lies behind his militarisation of Iran, and the threats against Israel, the USA, and the non-Islamic West generally. Are we seeing a similar situation with the bankers and their political elitist cohorts working towards a global economic chaos as they are perhaps preparing the way for their king to arrive on the scene; a man/god/devil who will put in place a new centrally controlled global economic system? Paul-Henri Spaak, one-time secretary general of NATO and first president of the United Nations General Assembly, is credited with making the following statement: Quote: "We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all the people and to lift us up out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man, and whether he be God or devil, we will receive him." Maybe the man Paul-Henri Spaak was allegedly referring to, and perhaps unknowingly, is the same man that Ahmadinejad is hoping will arrive on the scene of his 'necessary' Islamic global chaos. We can be certain though, that the current global situation, the behaviour of central banks and their political associates, is going to result in global economic chaos. And if Ahmadinejad continues on his current path of action then a messy war with chaotic results looks increasingly likely. The question really is then; what follows after these two bouts of chaos? |
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| Author: | James [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
then get iran and the west through the uN and IAEA to broker an arms reduction treaty and avoid war. Iran has assets that if counted like antarcticas allow for a different form of mutual economic support to printing money and then creating micro eocnomic inflation on the mortgage rate that could create worse economically. The UK has the skills now to build infrastrcuture and trian those who want to do so peacefully from Ireland to Iran via israel |
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| Author: | jim [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
Where we could have bucked the trend, was to have thrown out Gordon Brown before he sold off all our Gold reserves on the cheap, for a short term fix, we cant possibly recover from that, because the value of the pound sinks each time we borrow, as now we borrow more to achieve, less this Monopoly money will soon become IOUs and should have printed on it, I promise to pay the bearer what I can, when I can, the sum of whatever I can afford at the time, as for coinage will be like the old silver coins worth more as scrap, for the silver content, than the face value by 200% thank you Gordon Brown. And Labour. |
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| Author: | Moley [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
I may well be wrong but my understanding is that all this QE nonsense is simply pumping money into the banks in the hope they might lend it back out to consumers. The banks are instead sitting on the funny money, and using it to build up their cash reserves, am I right so far ?? If so, that has to be the hight of economic madness. The banks got themselves ( and us mere mortals ) into this mess in the first place, yet we throw billions of £'s/$'s at them in a vain attempt to get us out of it. Surely that money would have been better served by cutting taxes and/or investing in infrastructure that this country desperately needs. That would lead to more jobs, lower unemployment hence less benefit payments, and an increase in tax revenue with more folk working. Am I missing the point ? |
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| Author: | jim [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
The money we borrow at x amount interest with a gold value to it at say £100 an ounce, the pound gets devalued yet again and we pay back with gold at say is now £110 and ounce we have to go on the open market to buy it but now our 100 pounds has devalued to around £90 adding a further 20% to what we owe its a no win situation, unless you receive benefits that you have paid nothing toward English are now the mugs of the world, and have nothing to lend anyone else, so enjoy the trip going from one calamity to another, and watch it go out the window in grants to Countries that dont need it and spivs comming into the country, and scooping what cream is left, Ta Gordon. |
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| Author: | Jon [ Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
What would be useful, given the scary first post on this thread, is advice to people in various scenarios. If we're heading for high inflation and high interest rates, what should the following people do...? 1. People with loads of money in the bank? 2. People with no money in the bank and no debts? 3. People with no money in the bank, but plenty of debts (mortgage, loans etc) For example, if I was in the happy situation of having £150k in various banks, I'd be very worried about whether it was safe and whether its value was protected. On the other hand, if I owed banks £150k, I'd be very worried about looming high interest rates. Is the best answer to have no cash and to owe no cash?? |
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| Author: | jim [ Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
It has come to light that you can get blood out of a stone, you just have to squeeze a little harder. |
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| Author: | jim [ Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
Jon wrote: 1. People with loads of money in the bank? put it in a foreign bank and move Jon wrote: 2. People with no money in the bank and no debts? BARTER Jon wrote: 3. People with no money in the bank, but plenty of debts (mortgage, loans etc) Move to Romania Jon wrote: For example, if I was in the happy situation of having £150k in various banks, I'd be very worried about whether it was safe and whether its value was protected. I would not be worried Jon! you would get bye for a whole week with that. Jon wrote: On the other hand, if I owed banks £150k, I'd be very worried about looming high interest rates. why? you will be earning that every week, may be a problem once the government catches its tail and stops running around in circles |
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| Author: | geezer466 [ Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Funny Money on the Horizon. |
They are in effect printing the deficit......... The amount of money the Government spends outweighs what they get in in taxation. They print then pass it to the banks who then buy up Government bonds (pass it back to the Government) which allows things to go on pretty much as they are. |
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