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| Author: | geezer466 [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Paul Craig Roberts |
Previous assistant secretary to the treasury in the Reagan Cabinet and one time editor of the Wall Street Journal Knows his way round the Washington bubble and has a view on events in UKR. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07 ... g-roberts/ Quote: Washington’s propaganda machine is in such high gear that we are in danger of losing the facts that we do have. One fact is that the separatists do not have the expensive Buk anti-aircraft missile system or the trained personnel to operate it. Another fact is that the separatists have no incentive to shoot down an airliner and neither does Russia. Anyone can tell the difference between low-flying attack aircraft and an airliner at 33,000 feet. The Ukrainians do have Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, and a Buk battery was operational in the region and deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner. Just as the separatists and the Russian government have no incentive to shoot down an airliner, neither does the Ukrainian government nor, one would think, even the crazed extreme Ukrainian nationalists who have formed militias to take the fight against the separatists that the Ukrainian army is not keen to undertake–unless there was a plan to frame Russia. Anyone else getting the feeling the official narrative here does not seem to fit the facts? The press are being manipulated. |
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| Author: | Jon [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Craig Roberts |
Fascinating. I had no doubts until about half an hour ago when a Russian was interviewed at length on Radio 4. Now this. This is VERY interesting in another of his articles: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07 ... g-roberts/ |
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| Author: | geezer466 [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Craig Roberts |
Not sure what to make of this....... It would be like a middle to senior member (someone like Claire Short for example who never supported the invasions) of the Blair cabinet coming out and saying 7/7 was an inside job or there were dark forces at work with the death of Diana Princess of Wales. Its clear the media are being manipulated. Today's headline in the mail. Quote: A chilling echo of Nazi death trains as MH17 victims begin the grimmest journey Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z385oNCR2W Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Nazi death trains?? The area is pretty remote, the local economy not well developed, the temperatures will also be very hot. The victims remains have to be stored somewhere maybe refrigerated train carriages was all they had? Better than and to keep them in one place for inspection by independent authority rather than spread them out round the Country. I see nothing out of the ordinary in them using these carriages, yet the media and it was not only the mail who were responsible we spinning like crazy yesterday that putting them on these trains was somehow barbaric and disrespectful. There is an anti Russian agenda at work here. The corporates must be wanting another war to swell their coffers. |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Craig Roberts |
geezer466 wrote: There is an anti Russian agenda at work here. And the main stream media are virtually united in their reports and conclusions - all without any concrete evidence of Russian guilt.Charred bodies falling from the sky, burning and smouldering aircraft wreckage, but large numbers of mint condition passports and passenger luggage litter the scene. All very strange. http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/19/f ... questions/ Quote: Again here we see the gathering of passports near the MH17 crash site, notice they don’t have scratch on them. There were eyewitness report seeing charred bodies falling from the sky, raising more questions about the items that avoided being burned up at the crash scene
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| Author: | Rich Kid [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Craig Roberts |
All the claims and counter-claims from both sides just reminds me so much of the saying: 'in war truth is the first casualty'. Will we ever find out 'the truth', do the participants actually want us to know the truth? |
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| Author: | SOT [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Craig Roberts |
geezer466 wrote: Not sure what to make of this....... Its clear the media are being manipulated. Today's headline in the mail. Quote: A chilling echo of Nazi death trains as MH17 victims begin the grimmest journey Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z385oNCR2W Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Nazi death trains?? The area is pretty remote, the local economy not well developed, the temperatures will also be very hot. The victims remains have to be stored somewhere maybe refrigerated train carriages was all they had? Better than and to keep them in one place for inspection by independent authority rather than spread them out round the Country. I see nothing out of the ordinary in them using these carriages, yet the media and it was not only the mail who were responsible we spinning like crazy yesterday that putting them on these trains was somehow barbaric and disrespectful. There is an anti Russian agenda at work here. The corporates must be wanting another war to swell their coffers. I totally agree with you that all is not what it seems. I thought the press were very odd viewing the train removal of casualties as suspicious when (as you say), it could be a mark of respect. Not sure why they've bought a crane in to move debris though? |
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| Author: | geezer466 [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Craig Roberts |
SOT wrote: geezer466 wrote: Not sure what to make of this....... Its clear the media are being manipulated. Today's headline in the mail. Quote: A chilling echo of Nazi death trains as MH17 victims begin the grimmest journey Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z385oNCR2W Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Nazi death trains?? The area is pretty remote, the local economy not well developed, the temperatures will also be very hot. The victims remains have to be stored somewhere maybe refrigerated train carriages was all they had? Better than and to keep them in one place for inspection by independent authority rather than spread them out round the Country. I see nothing out of the ordinary in them using these carriages, yet the media and it was not only the mail who were responsible we spinning like crazy yesterday that putting them on these trains was somehow barbaric and disrespectful. There is an anti Russian agenda at work here. The corporates must be wanting another war to swell their coffers. I totally agree with you that all is not what it seems. I thought the press were very odd viewing the train removal of casualties as suspicious when (as you say), it could be a mark of respect. Not sure why they've bought a crane in to move debris though? I have read two theories. 1. Th Moscow backed rebels were sanitising the crash site looking to remove all traces of the surface to air missile. 2. They were checking under the larger bits of wreckage for victims remains. I think the second one is closer to the mark. No one is denying it was a (Russian manufactured) SA11 missile. That is not in doubt. Simply who fired it. |
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