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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:40 am 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28203914


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:44 am 
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I kept wondering how Saville got away with it for so long and why wasn't he reported. It's now looking like he may very well have been reported but it was being covered up as they were at it as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:35 pm 
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The Daily Telegraph has provided some key quotes from the BBC report:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -ring.html

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Peter McKelvie, who worked on the conviction of paedophile Peter Righton, said there was a “powerful elite” of paedophiles who carried out “the worst form” of abuse.


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Judges, peers and MPs are among 20 prominent public figures who abused children for decades, a former child protection manager has said.
Peter McKelvie, who worked on the conviction of paedophile Peter Righton, said there was a “powerful elite” of paedophiles who carried out “the worst form” of abuse.

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The former child protection manager in Hereford and Worcestershire said: “I believe there is a lot of strong evidence, and information that can be converted into evidence if it is investigated properly, that there has been an extremely powerful elite, amongst the highest levels of the political classes, for as long as I have been alive.
“There has been sufficient reason to investigate it over and over again certainly for the past thirty years, and there has always been a block, and the cover-up and collusion, to prevent that happening.”
“We are looking at the Lords, the Commons, the judiciary – all institutions where there will be a small percentage of paedophiles, and a slightly larger percentage of people who have known about it but have felt in terms of their own self-interest and self-preservation and for political party reasons it has been safer cover it up rather than deal with it,” he told the BBC.
“I would say we are looking at upwards of 20 [people] and a much larger number of people who have known about it and done nothing about it, who were in a position to do something about it,” he said.
The alleged abuse involved rape, beatings and being moved between paedophiles “like a lump of meat”

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Children’s homes provided “supply lines” for child abuse and were targeted by “people in power” during the 1980s, he said.

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“What I am suggesting is that it's possible that people who were authoritative, powerful, in particular communities did sometimes have access to children's homes.
"I had to fire two managers of children's homes... for abusing children in their care.”


However we look at it, Peter McKelvie has made some very strong statements in this interview. Statements that demand an immediate and full police investigation, with no holds barred.

I am wondering how many fatal 'heart attacks' amongst the great and the good are going to be reported in the coming weeks and months.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:03 pm 
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The allegations have been out there for years.

The only difference is they are now being treated seriously...

When I tell you David Icke was one of the first to air them I bet you are going to be very surprised....


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:19 pm 
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Kremmen wrote:
I kept wondering how Saville got away with it for so long and why wasn't he reported. It's now looking like he may very well have been reported but it was being covered up as they were at it as well.


Worth considering for a moment that if these figures were so powerful as keep themselves in the shadows all these years then they also would have the same power to spin against Saville to keep the heat from themselves.

I have no doubt Saville was a 'sex pest' as many of his generation and trade were, but delve a bit deeper and there is no real evidence it was any worse than this.

The way the press have reported it most people in the UK think Saville murdered kids and eat them for breakfast.

Mass population manipulation is going in and in pretty much the same way as they manage the global warming debate most people are swallowing it..........


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:48 pm 
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geezer466 wrote:
The allegations have been out there for years.

The only difference is they are now being treated seriously...

When I tell you David Icke was one of the first to air them I bet you are going to be very surprised....
You're right Geezer, the allegations have been out there for some years. The difference now is, that for some strange reason the Main Stream Media are reporting it. The question is: Why, what is going on behind the scenes?

We have good reasons to believe that the MSM are controlled; certainly the man-made global warming/climate change myth would not have got anywhere without the MSM. The MSM's united antipathy towards UKIP suggests that something is seriously wrong with the MSM. Misleading and inaccurate news reporting by the MSM has cast serious doubts over the integrity of the MSM; we remember the 'fallen' World Trade Centre tower that the BBC reported on about 20 minuets before the tower crashed to the ground in what appeared to be a very controlled demolition job. The political bias that is clearly visible in certain quarters of the publicly funded MSM only serves to raise grave suspicions concerning the MSM; for example, the TV program Question Time has an extensive reputation for outright Left wing bias.

So why is the MSM now reporting possible paedophilia and sex abuse in high places? Could it be that the alternative media are now having a serious impact on the public's perception of the real news, that for the MSM to continue to ignore these issues only serves to further discredit the MSM? I think that is part of the answer.

Could it be that events are close to 'forcing' a fully integrated European political union? We've seen unelected governments imposed in Cyprus and Italy; are we now witnessing the destruction of our own Westminster government and Establishment through revelations of criminality and incompetence in a way that are just too much for the electorate to accept in the political class, and preparing us for an imposed government from the EU? Deceit and treason have been part and parcel of the Establishment and political class for several decades now - so anything is possible.

If the suspicions of paedophilia and child abuse in very high places turn out to be everything they have the potential to be, then the public's confidence in the political class and the Establishment could reach total breakdown and despair, which would leave the way open for the EU to impose direct rule – which they effectively have anyway. Direct rule by the EU, 'for our own safety', would also solve the problem of the UK's constant threat to leave the EU – which is something that is extremely unlikely to ever happen whichever party is in power.

Given the increasingly perceived untrustworthiness of the Establishment's mind-conditioning MSM, and the increasing distrust of the political class, the Globalist powers-that-be will be prepared for any eventuality.

We do know that fear and uncertainty appear to have been politically engineered to cast grave doubts over every aspect of our private lives. Employment; pensions; cost of living; energy costs; water supplies; food supplies; housing; our bank accounts are now under threat of a 'bail-in'; our health; the environment; our indigenous culture; terrorism; wars; even our faith in the those who are supposed to protect us, such as the doctors, medics, and the police, has been undermined; everything is now under threat and filled with uncertainty. We are ripe for the imposition of a 'benevolent' dictator to save us from ourselves.

Could it be that the EU and its treacherous political and corporate supporters are are now ready for the next step in the process of “ever closer political union”? I think this is a very real possibility - and one that needs careful watching.


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Westonman wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28203914


Thankyou for posting this a few days ago.

I see, now, that it is being said that this lady is too much part of the establishment to be conducting this inquiry.

I was surprised to see her back in the public eye as I wrote a serious letter to her a few years ago but didn't receive a reply. I thought maybe she was not in good health and that could have been the reason or maybe my letter went astray. I wrote to her after reading comments she had made on judicial matters concerning children and the courts in this country in comparison with abroad.
I must find out when I wrote it now she is in the public eye again.

It will be interesting to see if she is able to conduct the inquiry if objections are raised.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:21 pm 
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Marian wrote:
Westonman wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28203914


Thankyou for posting this a few days ago.

I see, now, that it is being said that this lady is too much part of the establishment to be conducting this inquiry.


Hi Marion. Butler-Sloss is more than a part of the Establishment, she has good reasons for not probing too deeply into any paedophile ring that may come close to criticising her own brother or the government he was part of.

The late Lord Havers: Deceased brother of retired senior judge Elizabeth Butler-Sloss:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... er-up.html
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Late brother of Baroness Butler-Sloss, judge in charge of Westminster child abuse inquiry, was attorney general who refused to prosecute paedophile spy.


The late Lord Havers: Was Attorney General when Leon Brittan was Home Secretary:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... parliament
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Butler-Sloss is the sister of the late Lord Havers, who was attorney general in the 1980s, when the former home secretary Lord Brittan of Spennithorne was handed details by the late Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens of alleged child abuse. Havers was later made lord chancellor by Margaret Thatcher.


Would there be any risk of a conflict of interests between Elizabeth Butler-Sloss, Leon Brittan and any paedophile inquiry. From Cameron's perspective, clearly not. But I think this proposed inquiry is a sham before it begins to cost us serious money.

If possible, would like to read what you wrote to Butler-Sloss concering.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:02 pm 
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Hi, Westonman.
Thankyou for your reply. I think that all inquiries should be held by totally independent 'bodies' to avoid the conflict of interest or bias.

Regarding my own letter to Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss (as she was then), I need to find the date I sent it, but it was about a contradiction of a view she voiced at a 'conference' saying she wouldn't agree to something happening here in this country when I knew that it had actually been allowed to happen.
It is something I maybe need Jon's authorization to publish on here just in case?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:53 am 
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It's your letter Marian so your choice unless it libels anyone, in which case best to PM it to Westonman.


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