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| Author: | Pam [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Scary! |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-21904501 |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
That is a facinating report Pam. From that BBC report Pam provided: Quote: The sudden current of air was powerful enough to blow tiles and masonry from the home of Patricia Hills in Old Windsor, Berkshire. BAA, which operates Heathrow Airport, says only one in 10,000 flights results in a vortex. If this BBC report is correct, then somebody at the BAA is talking a lot rubbish when they say only one in 10,000 flights results in a vortex. All aerofoils that produce lift will produce vortices. Vortices can be reduced by wing design and flying conditions, but not abolished. This article helps to explain: http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Wake ... Turbulence Quote: Potentially hazardous turbulence in the wake of an aircraft in flight is principally caused by wing tip vortices. This type of turbulence is significant because wing tip vortices decay quite slowly and can produce a significant rotational influence on an aircraft encountering them for several minutes after they have been generated. Jet Efflux and Prop Wash can also hazard the control of an aircraft both on the ground and in the air but, whilst these effects are often extreme, their effects are more short-lived. The origin of counter-rotating wing tip vortices is a direct and automatic consequence of the generation of lift by a wing. Lift is generated by the creation of a pressure differential over the wing surface. The lowest pressure occurs over the upper wing surface and the highest pressure under the wing. This pressure differential triggers the roll up of the airflow aft of the wing resulting in swirling air masses trailing downstream of the wing tips. After the roll up is completed, the wake consists of two counter-rotating cylindrical vortices. The strength of the vortex is governed by the weight, speed, and shape of the wing of the generating aircraft. The vortex characteristics of any given aircraft can also be changed by extension of flaps or other wing configuring devices as well as by change in speed. However, as the basic factor is weight, the vortex strength increases proportionately. Vortices usually persist for between one and three minutes, with survival often greatest at low level in calm or very light wind conditions and at higher altitudes in thinner air. Once formed, vortices descend until they decay (or reach the ground). Decay is usually rapid and occurs more quickly in windy conditions over land because of the greater variation in both components of wind velocity which are induced by frictional effects of terrain. Cross-winds can carry a vortex away from the flight path which the aircraft generating them has followed. It is because of these vortices produced by flying aircraft, especially large aircraft, that flying aircraft aren't allowed to fly to close behind one another on a given flight-path, such as when landing and taking-off. A small aircraft following a large aircraft too closely can come to grief if the disturbed air from violent vortices of the leading larger aircraft take over the following aircraft. |
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| Author: | geezer466 [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
That recent and fascinating program on Channel4 I think where they crashed the old passenger jet into the Mexican desert had to be remotely controlled by a chase plane after the pilot baled out. Interesting that on the footage the chase plane had to be close in for the remote signals to range but it always flew above and off the port side of it. |
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| Author: | SOT [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
I have 'seen' this vortex phenomenon in the pub garden at the Green Man pub near Hatton Cross tube and it is indeed (like the headline of this thread) pretty scary. In addition I have known friends living on the Oak Farm estate in Hillingdon to have had damage sustained to their roof tiles by a passing plane. The odd thing about this BBC story is that the planes over Windsor would be considerably higher than those over Hatton Cross & Oak Farm. So I wonder what sort of maximum height the planes need to be before damage is not possible. Where's Brian when you need him??? |
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| Author: | Pam [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
He's probably basking under that big round yellow thing in the sky!(I remember seeing it once in another life.......... mutter mumble mutter mumble...... |
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| Author: | Brian [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
Don't blame me. I remember one of the "Air Crash Investigation" episodes where they found that the turbulence due to the vortice effect on take-off caused the plane behind to collide with the terrain. I think they now have detectors and more separation. |
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| Author: | john [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
if its true ? more reason , not to build or live near airports |
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| Author: | jane [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
My sister in law lives in Colnbrook right under the flight path. I hate going there because of this .... scares the cr#p out of me ....... |
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| Author: | Brian [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
Pam wrote: He's probably basking under that big round yellow thing in the sky!(I remember seeing it once in another life.......... mutter mumble mutter mumble...... Did I tell you that the big yellow thing burnt me at the air show the other week? (It's not all beer and skittles y'know) |
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| Author: | Pam [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scary! |
Shurrup Brian....... |
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